What If - solutions

[administrator]

Use this thread to post your ideas on What If solutions to the variations on Kenpo techniques.

Kevin Lamkin

[Lance C]

Studying what if's made me learn more through intellectual stimulation from Mr. Lamkin. An example.

Embryo - Delayed Sword. Kick off your back leg, land forward, use momentum to strike.

What If you had a reason to step back?

- Begging Hands - Kick to groin, opponent bends forward, kick to face.

Techniques interlink, they are related in many different ways: To name a few relations, starting position, attack, exit and many different, such as reverse motion, same but added to et.c.

-Lance C

[The Tabasco Kid]

What if....

..you have a fractured right elbow? Having acheived this training tool at WDW last night, I now have the opportunity to review by yellow material and the first 7 orange techniques in that light.

So far, Delayed Sword is now a mirror of Sword of Destruction.

Alternating Maces now has a left crane head pull across both arms while stepping back into left neutral bow followed by a left horizontal elbow strike to the chest while push dragging forward.

[warrior-scholar]

Back to Triggered Salute...

I usually have everyone resist pins immediately since practitioners are often lazy with them or looking ahead to the rest of the technique.

What if ... the opponent slips out the left pin and is turned slightly to his/her right as you execute the "salute"?
Would you attempt to execute the strikes to a "free" opponent (different targets of course)?

Would you attempt to control the left hand with your right, step forward with your left towards the opponent and execute the strikes or some variation with the left hand?

These are just a couple of things students have come up with in the past. I will let you decide what to make of them.

Oh, and I just can't resist applying this one to a worst case mounted position. As you lift the hips to bring the opponent forward and his hands to the ground or your chest, attempt the pin as you strike the opponent's throat with a tiger's jaw. The lack of power from your back might necessitate a more vicious strike than the "salute". If the grab was indeed successful, then lift the hips again and bridge to the left. The pain compliance from the continued tiger's jaw will help with the "flip" along with the pin of the left hand. As you are at the height of the hip thrust, roll to the left as the right hand squeezes and right arm locks out to push the opponent away and left.
Alternatively, if the opponent is too heavy or for some reason a flip is not likely, then one can progress through the series of strikes after the tiger's jaw. For example, tiger's jaw-collapse into an inward elbow across the jaw-come back across the face with a heel palm and claw-puma fist to the throat/another tiger's jaw. The weapons are different, but follow the same pattern as in the technique. Do what you need to do to obtain control and escape.

Webmaster...if you are reading this I have been trying to contact you with no success...don't know if my Outlook is messed up or not?

[administrator]

Webmaster...if you are reading this I have been trying to contact you with no success...don't know if my Outlook is messed up or not?

My email is still the same klamkin@elite-fighters.com

Kevin Lamkin

[The Tabasco Kid]

Some may already know this, but did you know that it takes 3 months for a fractured bone to regain its original strength? At least that's what my orthopedic doctor told me last week. I can now do controlled pushing/pulling but no punches and definitely no elbow strikes until after 1 JAN 08.

With the elbow out of the way, possible knee damage related to the fall that broke the elbow has surfaced. Good thing I'm not studying TKD.

[Lance C]

Interesting What If?

Squatting Sacrifice, when you reach down to grab the leg (you are being bear hugged) and your partner has been instructed to "make it hard on you" by your own words, decides at that very moment to push you which ends up in a shoulder roll, and him face planting into the mats, not realizing that (since I'm over fat) that his arms are now trapped. It makes for an interesting screech, thump noise.

I think this would be an example of manoever what ifs.

Bones heal faster than nerves, I've been fighting off bell's palsey for months, originally i thought getting punched on the jaw did the damage, but since I ended up with something like shingles a couple of months later, I should have been on anti-virals. Try and stay healthy!

[Kenpo-Zen]

Triggered salute can also be altered. The right push is followed by the palm heel strike when you step in and then you use the crane to collapse the right arm. After the strike to the right side the collapsed right arm can be locked and pinned backwards to use a takedown move. The collapsed right arm is held locked and pushed back and down to the right. I dont know if I am explaining what I am thinking correctly. I have the idea and know what I mean.

[warrior-scholar]

"I dont know if I am explaining what I am thinking correctly. I have the idea and know what I mean."

That is my motto too! This is difficult stuff to explain sometimes.

I assume you are meaning to say that instead of letting the second elbow strike 'slip through' the head (target) you want to maintain contact with the target and apply pressure into the take down. As I see it, however, the elbow will roll the head and take the opponent down to 4:30 or so. This will require some footwork adjustments as you execute the move. Perhaps you could clarify what you had in mind.

[Kenpo-Zen]

could it be done to use a take down after the last strike to the technique. i was thinking that after the last strike you could use keep the right arm in a lock backwards while shifting the footwork to the left stepping through using the opponents right arm for a take down or would you have to use the right arm take down if it could be done before the last strike of the tech. Thanks for the input and help.

[The Tabasco Kid]

could it be done to use a take down after the last strike to the technique. i was thinking that after the last strike you could use keep the right arm in a lock backwards while shifting the footwork to the left stepping through using the opponents right arm for a take down or would you have to use the right arm take down if it could be done before the last strike of the tech. Thanks for the input and help.

I think I see what you're saying. Is this along those lines?

1 - Maintain the pin on the attacker's right hand to your left shoulder after delivering the right uppercut to the attacker's jaw.

2a - Step with the right foot back to 7:30 into a left forward bow facing 3:00
2b - Bring the right hand back from the uppercut to grab the attacker's left wrist.
2c - Raise your left elbow to guide your left forearm to the top of the attacker's right arm as you begin to rotate.

3a - Pull the attacker's right wrist to your right hip
3b - Execute a left horizontal downward block to the attacker's right elbow.

You should have the attacker extended and arm-barred at this point, placing him in the same position to do the elbow and backfist strikes from Crossing Talon.

[Tombo]

Would it be possible to have a separate forum for what-ifs? This way we could post what if questions as one thread type vs what if answers to the manual questions as another thread?

[administrator]

We'll set up a What If forum, provided that it is used for that purpose. This particular thread has been up for quite a while with not much activity. We will always ater the function of the message board to accomodate the needs of the participants.

Kevin Lamkin

[Tombo]

Thanks. If it would help, I can/will start off the posts there with some sample ideas of how I was thinking it could be used in my own mind.

The only thing I didn't decide was technique vs rank answer posting. More specifically I would imagine it being used in the following ways...

1. I want to share my answers to the LOK What-Ifs so I would start a thread titled "LOK Yellow Belt What-If Answers" which would just be an accumulation of all my answers for said belt.
2. I had my own what-if question about a specific techniques, I'd start a thread called "<Technique> What-If Question". And hopefully others would offer their insight.
3. For Work Book Suggestions for Study questions as subject would be along the lines of "Yellow Belt Workbook Suggestion Answers"

Also 1 & 3 could be posts on a per technique level would could make searching easier for some. I woould be more than willing to post some of my answers etc... to help get said forum started.