Oddities of Kenpo

[warrior-scholar]

While perusing the americankenpo.com website, this sentence just slapped me in the face:
"Tercell died in 1962 while unsuccessfully practicing a kung fu technique in which he hanged himself. His death was ruled a suicide."
http://www.americankenpo.com/emblem.html

Someone please explain! I don't know what seems stranger to me, the use of the word "unsuccessful" or just the fact that it was ruled a suicide. Does unsuccessful imply that the successful technique attempts to defy death?

With this incident as a starting point, anyone wish to share a bizarre kenpo tale or event?

Or perhaps I should ask if anyone has ever pulled off exact techniques in an encounter before. That question would be sure to elicit some tall tales, of which I have heard many!

[JamesS]

[QUOTE=warrior-scholar]While perusing the americankenpo.com website, this sentence just slapped me in the face:
"Tercell died in 1962 while unsuccessfully practicing a kung fu technique in which he hanged himself. His death was ruled a suicide."
http://www.americankenpo.com/emblem.html

Someone please explain! I don't know what seems stranger to me, the use of the word "unsuccessful" or just the fact that it was ruled a suicide. Does unsuccessful imply that the successful technique attempts to defy death?


Hey W-S

Its my understanding through some research and some hear say from my instructor that Tercell actually died trying to perfect a pressure point method simular to CPR
call kappo
here is what the Wiki say about this technique

Kappo
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kappo are healing techniques that often involve stimulation of specific acupuncture points. Kappo is commonly used in martial arts such as Danzan Ryu and Judo.

More specifically, kappo refers to resuscitation techniques used to revive someone who has been choked to the point of unconsciousness. These techniques, as practiced by the martial art of Judo, can involve striking specific points on the body, manual manipulation of the carotid triangle to open closed arteries, or manually opening and closing the lungs to allow air to flow in and out. The manual manipulation of breathing, which has some simularities with rescue breathing and [CPR], is called katsu.

A tradition in some Judo schools involves teaching kappo to all new shodan (black belts). This instruction is followed by a session where each of the shodan choke someone, are choked themselves, and resuscitate someone using kappo.

I hope this shines some light into the Tercell case.

Hows this LanceC for social engineering?

[warrior-scholar]

Thanks for the info!!! I keep forgetting to check the ominscient and infallible Wikipedia!!
:)

[Lance C]

[QUOTE=warrior-scholar]While perusing the americankenpo.com website, this sentence just slapped me in the face:
"Tercell died in 1962 while unsuccessfully practicing a kung fu technique in which he hanged himself. His death was ruled a suicide."
http://www.americankenpo.com/emblem.html

Someone please explain! I don't know what seems stranger to me, the use of the word "unsuccessful" or just the fact that it was ruled a suicide. Does unsuccessful imply that the successful technique attempts to defy death?


Hey W-S

Its my understanding through some research and some hear say from my instructor that Tercell actually died trying to perfect a pressure point method simular to CPR
call kappo
here is what the Wiki say about this technique

Kappo
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kappo are healing techniques that often involve stimulation of specific acupuncture points. Kappo is commonly used in martial arts such as Danzan Ryu and Judo.

More specifically, kappo refers to resuscitation techniques used to revive someone who has been choked to the point of unconsciousness. These techniques, as practiced by the martial art of Judo, can involve striking specific points on the body, manual manipulation of the carotid triangle to open closed arteries, or manually opening and closing the lungs to allow air to flow in and out. The manual manipulation of breathing, which has some simularities with rescue breathing and [CPR], is called katsu.

A tradition in some Judo schools involves teaching kappo to all new shodan (black belts). This instruction is followed by a session where each of the shodan choke someone, are choked themselves, and resuscitate someone using kappo.

I hope this shines some light into the Tercell case.

Hows this LanceC for social engineering?


Ah! Social Engineering! (Too much research material!)

How about an ancient secret method of removing your opponent's contact lenses during a fight.

I heard of this so called "master" near where you live who can "suck" out a contact lens with a fast punch. Perhaps It is a Kenpo Technique called: Lens Cross, er was that the guy's name.

-Lance Cross
:)

[JamesS]

Ah! Social Engineering! (Too much research material!)

How about an ancient secret method of removing your opponent's contact lenses during a fight.

I heard of this so called "master" near where you live who can "suck" out a contact lens with a fast punch. Perhaps It is a Kenpo Technique called: Lens Cross, er was that the guy's name.

-Lance Cross
:)

I think I recall something like that!
It worked very well as far I as know, better than lensmasters

[Lance C]

I think I recall something like that!
It worked very well as far I as know, better than lensmasters

I have a few more belts (and many years) before I can go by the title of Lens Master(s) er was that "Master" Lance???

The club worked well last night, however ever have one of those bad days?

I split my pants out during a throw reversal demonstration with my Assistant, then break a tooth off during ring training after giving a lecture about the importance of bringing your mouth guard to class (I guess I didn't listen, how can you teach with a mouth guard in?)

The 13 year old that weighs 1/4 of what I do who did it felt bad.

However the lecture was good and improvement was seen by all.

Keep up the training!

Courage, Knowledge, Diligence and Luck!

Lance Cross

[warrior-scholar]

Well at least you can tell them you know from experience that even a 13 year old can knock out your teeth!!!

On that note: We always talk about keeping your jaw closed in a confrontation. Well, one of my guys found out the hard way at a full contact fight recently!


Back the thread theme. I know many of you are aware of the numerous overblown egos in the Kenpo world, but I recently ran across one of the most outrageous. I won't name anyone on this site. However, it is just unbelievable what some people claim! Not an oddity, but it should be!

[Lance C]

Well at least you can tell them you know from experience that even a 13 year old can knock out your teeth!!!

On that note: We always talk about keeping your jaw closed in a confrontation. Well, one of my guys found out the hard way at a full contact fight recently!


Back the thread theme. I know many of you are aware of the numerous overblown egos in the Kenpo world, but I recently ran across one of the most outrageous. I won't name anyone on this site. However, it is just unbelievable what some people claim! Not an oddity, but it should be!

What was the claim?

I have seen some dewsies lately. I tell my students that it comes down to: Can you fight? (Black Belts: Can you Coach?)

"When an 8 foot maniac has the back of your favourite head against the bar room brawl, you just remember what Jack Burton does at a time like this...."
-Big Trouble in Little China

I purposely contest with my students as a series of learning experiences, they soon find out fighting doesn't make winners and loosers.

As for the tooth getting split off and for my #1 getting his contact lenses sucked out of his eye by a punch, and for (Another) Split pair of pants, this is the low price humility costs these days. They are also learning experiences, having a tooth knicked off hurts, a contact lense coming out temporarily blinds and the embarrassment of pants splitting are all real world experiences that affect your knowledge of why not to fight unless you have to.

Also these are the details that determine experience.


And yes! I know, Clench those teeth, knowing and doing! Knowing and Doing!
(Hard to Coach with a mouth guard in.)
Solution: Coach is one job, training fighter is another. Both is wrong.


-Lance C

[JamesS]

My mouth dropped.
http://www.geocities.com/ikkorg/10th-9thdegrees.htm
Lance my count was off a bit
I respect these martial artists
but give me a break
I recognize Only One 10TH
He died a while back.
Great man so I'm told!


The question here is what does everyone think?
Politics run a muck?
How does one be come better than great
Who judges?
Self promoted?
Sales gimmick?
Over stock of red strips?
Save our art people!
Thank you Mr Lambkin for this site.
Im glad that some ppl actually understand and want to evole and preserve!
Im told that if you forget your past your doomed to repeat it

[JamesS]

I dont know if its just ignorance on my half.
Just really curious.
Too many cooks spoil the broth.. right?
Should epak have a grandmaster? A handfull of Ninth degrees should be alright?
American kenpo and its evolution should have grandmasters, but not epak.
Tracys kenpo, BKF kenpo..etc
I really just want to know is it egos or skills that determin rank.

Mr Parker gave rank out to those who innovated and brought the art to the masses.

Alot on this list havent done so
Mr's Lambkin (Kevin, Eric) you two have more right on this list than some claiming.
If its EPAK no one should be number one.
Or the standards should be really high.
How would the US run with 21 presidents at once?

[warrior-scholar]

Not trying to be too picky...but it's Lamkin without the 'b'.

Right on James! Here is a question:
How many 9th and 10th degree Black Belts per capita would you say are in the U.S. and Canada as compared to Japan or China? I would love to know that answer! Of course there are other factors involved, like how long the arts have been a part of one's culture and the age of a country etc. It seems we have a disproportionate amount of GMs in our neck of the woods.

[JamesS]

Not trying to be too picky...but it's Lamkin without the 'b'.

Right on James! Here is a question:
How many 9th and 10th degree Black Belts per capita would you say are in the U.S. and Canada as compared to Japan or China? I would love to know that answer! Of course there are other factors involved, like how long the arts have been a part of one's culture and the age of a country etc. It seems we have a disproportionate amount of GMs in our neck of the woods.


Ahh Lamkin... Got ya!

I agree fully.

[warrior-scholar]

We allowed Master Hwang to come into our private school and offer TKD to our kids as a P.E. requirement. I am all too familiar with the "combined degree" talk. I would actually help the competition team after school...improving their basics etc.
His main dojang is a facility to be envied!

[Lance C]

I dont know if its just ignorance on my half.
Just really curious.
Too many cooks spoil the broth.. right?
Should epak have a grandmaster? A handfull of Ninth degrees should be alright?
American kenpo and its evolution should have grandmasters, but not epak.
Tracys kenpo, BKF kenpo..etc
I really just want to know is it egos or skills that determin rank.

Mr Parker gave rank out to those who innovated and brought the art to the masses.

Alot on this list havent done so
Mr's Lambkin (Kevin, Eric) you two have more right on this list than some claiming.
If its EPAK no one should be number one.
Or the standards should be really high.
How would the US run with 21 presidents at once?


The GM's that be here in Canada are starting to have a turf war in South Western Ontario where I am. Some of it is getting put into my Supposition on Social Engineering.

I run a small karate club (getting between 20 and 30 students) and I like this size. You can be personally teaching everyone, and I am just Lance, my club coat I ordered has "Coach" embroidered plus an old fashioned (early 1900's) style club crest on the left lapel that identifies the club.

The students enjoy much growth while attending the club and much comaraderie is present.

Despite recent attempts at "higher belts" to invade, criticize or ruin it, generally speaking everything is going well.

Personally speaking, I enjoy having a world class teacher of Tae Kwon Do living in the same town, She gets all the students that want something I do not teach, and vice versa, TKD helps weed out the students that do not do well in Kenpo. Everyone has an idea of what Martial Arts is, most who have expected something else than what is, do not last long. TKD and Kenpo here sort of symbiotic.

-Lance C

[Lance C]

Hello Gentlemen,

I really envy you Lance. It's quite nice when Martial Arts Schools/Clubs can co-exist symbiotically; Everyone benifits. I always try to direct people to the type of Instructor they seek; Even if it isn't me, and I know they're a good instructor. The TKD guys around here were always gunning for me, because I had worked at Tracy's . . .
oh well, whatever. Point being, you did after all, present a Kenpo Oddity:
Symbiotic Kenpo/TKD . . . cool.
;)


TKD isn't the problem. The problem is the hyper-Canadian politics in Kenpo. If the kenpoists here put as much work into training (like James S does) as they do promoting themselves, we would have world famous fighters!

It is almost as bad as "bad" KungFu Movies. There is an instructor nearby who does five swords on everyone he meets as a sales pitch on why (usually uninterested parties) should take Kenpo. There's nothing like Pushy salesmen to make customer's want more! (Sarcastic Tone)

I think something many schools could do is just inspire a good work ethic. We all remember the teachers and bosses that got the best out of us. Usually we learned our work ethics this way. This is how we get good, and keep the art strong. The Lamkin's have documented many aspects of the art for professional development reasons, but it takes many gymnasium hours to fulfill the material, and that is the responsibility of the students. When it comes down to: Can you fight? The quality and quantity of training shows immensely!

Must get ready for class! Got new un-ripped pants (ripped out 2 uniform pairs in 2 weeks!) new pants are from Everlast, Contender Boxing Pants from Ebay, Functional and Stylish and Cheap!

-Lance C

[Xperience]

TKD isn't the problem. The problem is the hyper-Canadian politics in Kenpo. If the kenpoists here put as much work into training (like James S does) as they do promoting themselves, we would have world famous fighters!

It is almost as bad as "bad" KungFu Movies. There is an instructor nearby who does five swords on everyone he meets as a sales pitch on why (usually uninterested parties) should take Kenpo. There's nothing like Pushy salesmen to make customer's want more! (Sarcastic Tone)

I think something many schools could do is just inspire a good work ethic. We all remember the teachers and bosses that got the best out of us. Usually we learned our work ethics this way. This is how we get good, and keep the art strong. The Lamkin's have documented many aspects of the art for professional development reasons, but it takes many gymnasium hours to fulfill the material, and that is the responsibility of the students. When it comes down to: Can you fight? The quality and quantity of training shows immensely!

Must get ready for class! Got new un-ripped pants (ripped out 2 uniform pairs in 2 weeks!) new pants are from Everlast, Contender Boxing Pants from Ebay, Functional and Stylish and Cheap!

-Lance C

Hi L.C ~
Let' see . . . Kenpo without mega-egos/politics, and ghi pants that don't rip-out(?). Now those would be some 'real' Oddities of Kenpo.
;) X

[Lance C]

Hi L.C ~
Let' see . . . Kenpo without mega-egos/politics, and ghi pants that don't rip-out(?). Now those would be some 'real' Oddities of Kenpo.
;) X


X,

On my way up! Recently won an auction on ebay.ca for a pair of everlast boxing pants! Got them, love them. Indestructable pants, well at least the label says everlast.

How come I still get my feathers ruffled at mega egos and hyper politics, crazy sub level 4 dude has in his encylcopedia "hypothetical kenpo" which describes in a social ordering method everyone elses schools but his, however after reading the pseudo-science book (reminded me of a book on cults) it really points its finger at itself.

Why do so many "new wave" money makers forget the part about fitness training and just practicing and learning to put things into motion. They water themselves down by overcomplicating and adding too much education into a process that keeps getting reinvented over and over again.

I just like to see people put things literally into motion and not armchair about them, many upper belts rattle of Kenpo idioms, but still fight like they are newbies in the ring. They like to talk the talk, but few move well.

-Lance C

[Xperience]

X,

On my way up! Recently won an auction on ebay.ca for a pair of everlast boxing pants! Got them, love them. Indestructable pants, well at least the label says everlast.

How come I still get my feathers ruffled at mega egos and hyper politics, crazy sub level 4 dude has in his encylcopedia "hypothetical kenpo" which describes in a social ordering method everyone elses schools but his, however after reading the pseudo-science book (reminded me of a book on cults) it really points its finger at itself.

Why do so many "new wave" money makers forget the part about fitness training and just practicing and learning to put things into motion. They water themselves down by overcomplicating and adding too much education into a process that keeps getting reinvented over and over again.

I just like to see people put things literally into motion and not armchair about them, many upper belts rattle of Kenpo idioms, but still fight like they are newbies in the ring. They like to talk the talk, but few move well.

-Lance C

Hi L.C ~
Well, all I can tell you is that if an instructor is too busy making money to 'practice what he preaches', he's more businessman than martial artist. So much the pitty for his students, because there's way too much of that going around these days; not to mention that it doesn't make the rest of us look very good. To me, there's a difference between making a living, and ripping people off. However, since one may find charlatans in every profession; what can you do(?). Quality martial arts instruction all across the board . . . now that's a M.A. Oddity that I'd 'like' to see.