The Martial Art of Firearms

[administrator]

This thread is being added to discuss the firearm as a Martial Art. The Elite-Fighters System of Martial Arts has just released the first complete treatment of the study of firearms as a martial art.

The Martial Art of Firearms (http://www.elite-fighters.com/weapons/weapons2.htm)

Feel free to voice your interests and experiences of this topic.

Kevin Lamkin
Site Administrator

[Dragon77]

I have to say that I recently purchase Weapons Training Volume 2--The martial Art of firearms and I am blown away! I had heard that Ed Parker eventually wanted to include firearms as part of advanced Kenpo training. In a recent post on another forum, it is said that Long 10 would have been a firearm form. Now having read this new book, I can see how the pistol can be studied as a martial art in itself and not simply a weapon of destruction.

I want to thank the Lamkin brothers for continuing Ed Parker's vision and growth of kenpo and sharing with us their extraordary talent, skill, and knowledge to the kenpo community.

Keep it coming!

D77

[warrior-scholar]

This series is especially helfpul to someone like myself who does not possess nor has ever fired a handgun. (No shame in admitting that!) Even though I plan on taking the required safety courses etc. to obtain my permit, this CD-Rom will give me a great deal of confidence as I prepare. Several of my students already know a great deal about handling these weapons, so I need to accommodate their interests. Thanks!

[Tiger_N2_Dragon]

This thread is being added to discuss the firearm as a Martial Art. The Elite-Fighters System of Martial Arts has just released the first complete treatment of the study of firearms as a martial art.

The Martial Art of Firearms (http://www.elite-fighters.com/weapons/weapons2.htm)

Feel free to voice your interests and experiences of this topic.

Kevin Lamkin
Site Administrator
As a new martial artist I am confused about this one. That martial arts would promote the use of firearms. When in fact, I know about several occasions a robber has sued the victim for using a firearm to defend their home. I can see how this would be useful to a police officer. But, I would question this for the average person. Considering most don't even have a concealed weapons license. I would appreciate any insight on this matter anyone has to offer. Thanks, Tn2D


"I come to you with only Karate, empty hands, I have no weapons, but should I be forced to defend myself, my principles or my honor, should it be a matter of life or death, of right or wrong; then here are my weapons, Karate, my empty hands."
Ed Parker

[administrator]

In regards to Firearms are relevant in the martial arts - you must remember that all weapons were new once. You must also know that lawsuits can be made for empty hand defense as well as with the use of firearms. In addition, not many people carry around katana, butterfly swords or spears, yet they are still taught in maritial arts today.

The use of any aspect of martial arts for defensive purposes requires a high level restraint and knowledge of the law. Knowledge in action and consequences is also very important.

These are part of the topics that we go into depth in our new manual:
The Martial Art of Firearms (http://www.elite-fighters.com/weapons/weapons2.htm)

Kevin Lamkin
Site Administrator

[Tiger_N2_Dragon]

In regards to Firearms are relevant in the martial arts - you must remember that all weapons were new once. You must also know that lawsuits can be made for empty hand defense as well as with the use of firearms. In addition, not many people carry around katana, butterfly swords or spears, yet they are still taught in maritial arts today.

The use of any aspect of martial arts for defensive purposes requires a high level restraint and knowledge of the law. Knowledge in action and consequences is also very important.

These are part of the topics that we go into depth in our new manual:
The Martial Art of Firearms (http://www.elite-fighters.com/weapons/weapons2.htm)

Kevin Lamkin
Site Administrator
Thank you, this gives me a new perspective. Nice post.

[Aramil]

I am very proficient with firearms and bow. Yet, I do see your point in that a weapon such as a firearm should be studied in martial arts training. Yet with such a weapon I am puzzled as to how basic things such as stances really apply. And besides disarming your opponent you can't block an attack from this weapon. It would be a very different light in training.

I already have knolledge of hand guns used as a self-defense due to my involvement in classes like this. But the way I view use of firearms verse firearms is moving behind objects for protection and other training things like basic target shooting to become proficient with your weapon.

I just don't see firearms fitting in well with martial arts.:(

Anyone like to enlighten me? I have a very open mind.

[administrator]

When it comes to stances in with firearms, they are very important, just as in any other aspect in the martial arts. Proper stance allows for proper balance, form, aim, etc.

The use of a firearm as a martial art weapon can be viewed from the same stance as any other weapon. It takes a great deal of training to become combat proficient with a handgun. The use of cover and concealment is also a topic discussed in our manual: The Martial Art of Firearms (http://www.elite-fighters.com/weapons/weapons2.htm)

Lastly, if you research the arts that the Samurai practiced, even the handgun was one of the weapons. While Miyamoto Musashi preferred the sword, the quotes, "On the battlefield, the firearm is superior, but when swords are crossed, the firearm has no use." Just as you learn you range of fighting with your natural weapons (kicking range, grappling range, etc.), the range of firearms must be addressed.

KevinLamkin
Site Administrator

[Aramil]

Yes, I understand the how stances are important what I mean is that you have to teach many new stances. But what are you doing? Just taking a firearm self-defense class and incorraperating it into your martial art?

[JamesS]

has anyone seen the movie "equilibrium"?
Thats the only martial arts movie that Ive seen anyways that
the whole martial art in that movie was gun related.
they even had an amazing gun kata.

For those who have not seen that movie , pick up
a great watch if your into martial arts and the whole
george orwell 1984 thing or umm huxleys brave new world

JamesS

[Lance C]

has anyone seen the movie "equilibrium"?
Thats the only martial arts movie that Ive seen anyways that
the whole martial art in that movie was gun related.
they even had an amazing gun kata.

For those who have not seen that movie , pick up
a great watch if your into martial arts and the whole
george orwell 1984 thing or umm huxleys brave new world

JamesS

I think I watched it at a friend's house.

To add to the post, my cousin was a peace keeper in Crete (probably 20 years ago) and his only armament was the semi-auto handgun.

He apparently was taught a gun "kata" for dynamic movement and shooting. (By his description body guard sort of stuff) ie reloading while side stepping in a wide kneel. Clearing a "no shot" from the chamber with the gun in sight to where you are visually looking. Apparently he was good at what he did.

I also met a guy who claimed the German Police have pistol pracitce in an urbanized shooting range, while driving motorcycles. Much like "Delta" their ability to attack targets while moving is what I think kenpo is like. Strike from motion.

-Lance C

[Lance C]

When it comes to stances in with firearms, they are very important, just as in any other aspect in the martial arts. Proper stance allows for proper balance, form, aim, etc.

The use of a firearm as a martial art weapon can be viewed from the same stance as any other weapon. It takes a great deal of training to become combat proficient with a handgun. The use of cover and concealment is also a topic discussed in our manual: The Martial Art of Firearms (http://www.elite-fighters.com/weapons/weapons2.htm)

Lastly, if you research the arts that the Samurai practiced, even the handgun was one of the weapons. While Miyamoto Musashi preferred the sword, the quotes, "On the battlefield, the firearm is superior, but when swords are crossed, the firearm has no use." Just as you learn you range of fighting with your natural weapons (kicking range, grappling range, etc.), the range of firearms must be addressed.

KevinLamkin
Site Administrator



I received my weapons cd's and dvd's yesterday. Having studied and taught combatives for years, they were added to the volumes of information on the subject.

Viewing some of the requirements for the Elite Fighter's it mentions pistol set. I would find this a contribution to the martial arts world, as a form (or set) that taught gun safety, safe operation and malfunction clearing would be a benefit to many.

-Lance C