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JKDooer
03-29-2005, 10:58 AM
I have been reading and responding to a thread on another bboard. http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22891

There's one guy responding about how the Delayed Sword teachnique is written - saying that you must pin the hand that grabs you on Delayed Sword, or else you will be hit. I copied off where you are supposed to use your block as a positional check to prevent accidental strikes. However, he is bull-headed and maintains that doing the technique that way is incorrect. I have Ed Parker's Accumulative Journal and I have attented seminars with Huk Planas, that teaches it the way that you describe. What else can I say to can him to cinvince him that he is misguided?

JK

administrator
03-29-2005, 03:33 PM
JK,
This is a fundamental difference that you will notice if you compare our Forums to most of the other Kenpo and martial arts forums. Our forum is designed to enhance your learning experience, teaching methods, training methods, and for overall fellowship with other martial artists who seek to elevate their training levels.

I just read the forum thread that you linked. I suggest that you do not waste your time, concern or effort to try to convince this other guy that your teaching method, based on our Library of Kenpo is valid. He is obviously locked into his own method - and that is fine. He's staying true to his instructor who teaches a pinning check on this technique.

Quotes Ed Parker that pertain to this matter; "The mind is much like a parachute, it only works when open!"; and, "One should never say it can't be done, for it depends on the person who is doing it."; and also, "'Cannot' is a word that cowards use."; and finally, ""While the ignorant refuse to study, the intelligent never stop." Ed Parker Vol II, ch 1."
I could go on ...

When we developed the Library of Kenpo, we made sure that we stayed true to Ed Parker's teaching, cross referencing them with his Accumulative Journal and other publications and from lessons with the masters. Although there are several techniques that we have found that need modifications from the early teachinqs, we present the methods taught by Ed Parker in the 1980s according to his own publications. Any modification from these "Ideal Phase" techniques can easily be made with his 'formulation equation.'

Our advanced Black Belt Kenpo material includes techniques that employ a pinning check against this same attack, see "Harverst Sun" and "Thrusting Spear" in the 4th degree Black Belt material. Instead of modifying Ed Parker's techniques based on our own bias, we present his system unadulterated, so that the next generation will have his same system from which to tailor to suit themselves. This is Ed Parker's method.

As an experiment with the technique, Delayed Sword, try this:
Have the defender to pin the grabbing hand, step back and execute a right inward block. From this scenario, see if you can:

Strike the defender's rib cage with your left hand Strike the defender's rib cage with your left knee Apply a pinning check against the defender's right elbow, binding his arms to ... Spin him around CCW and apply a rear bear hug Tackle the defender
And we could go on, and on...


JK, when you get into a dogmatic debate with another martial artist, you can go back and forth endlessly. Therefore, do not try to win him over. He is just trying to build himself up by cutting someone else back.

I hope that this answer helps. Continue training hard.

Kevin Lamkin
Administrator

JKDooer
04-01-2005, 11:18 AM
Here's one more qustion about the LIbrary.

Why are some attacks listed as an 'attempted attack' versus an 'actualattck'?

JK

administrator
04-01-2005, 02:43 PM
JK,

First, all 'attempted' attacks are actual attacks. What you mean is 'attempted' versus 'completed' attacks.

Let's view the outcome of completed attacks listing them in the 'nature of attacks' scale:

Grabs and Tackles - if 'completed' - either you are held in position, or knocked to the ground. Pushes - if 'completed' - you will be displaced Punches - if 'completed' - you are hit Kicks - if 'completed' - you are kicked Holds and hugs - if 'completed' - your mobility will be restricted Chokes and Locks - if 'completed' - unconsciousness, dislocation or death Weapons - if 'completed' - shot, cut or bludgeoned - (serious physical injury or death) Mulitiple Attacks - if 'completed' - (serious physical injury or death) Grabs are the only type of attack that you should endure 'completion' if you are attacked 'unaware'. Tackles can injure you, as well as pushes, punches, kicks and various holds. However, conditioning can assist you in enduring the injuries that these types of attacks can produce. No training will make you impervious to the injuries inflicted with the remaining types of attacks.

Therefore, we train for 'completed' grab attacks, condition ourselves for types 1-5 and prepare ourselves for the remaining types of attacks.

You must always strive for awareness and minimize risks. However, be prepare for the worst case scenarios.

When you practice techniques; you should use the drills that we outline in the "Instructor Series DVDs (http://arnis.org/home_study/master_keys.htm)". Drill the techniques in the Ideal Phase, formulate answers for the What IF Stage, and add random attack drills, with counters to your defenses.

Try to refrain from debating semantics and just train realistically!

Kevin Lamkin
Administrator

Theban_Legion
07-09-2005, 10:38 PM
I would like to say that the Library of Kenpo created by the Lamkin brothers is perhaps the most in depth set of manuals that I have ever seen. These manuals easily blow away the IKKA manuals (yellow through 2nd brown anyway); there is no comparison. (I also have a copy of the AKKI yellow belt manual. I was sorely disappointed in the lack of ANY information whatsoever) If the Elite-Fighter material is as good as the Library of Kenpo then I will certainly be adding selections to my martial art collection.
Thanks to the Lamkin brothers for all their work in assembling such a wonderful Kenpo resource.